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Can someone explain "renders" to me?

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 8:58 AM


I've been bumping into this more an more so I decided to share my RAEG.

So there is  this group of people on dA who take some already existing art and cut out the backgrounds. That's all. They find some artwork, usually anime fanart, cut the background out, add their own watermark and BAM post it to their galleries  as a free to use stocks without the permission of the original authors.
What's most infuriating there is almost always a disclaimer such as this one :


Oi, dumbfucks! Yes I'm talking to you. Why should anyone credit you for something that you did not create. You've contributed nothing. You've cut the background out, something that in most cases, can be done basically automatically by a computer program with a little to no human assistance.

The whole dA's category for stock renders is flooded with this shit --> browse.deviantart.com/resource…

I'm sorry but I was under the impression that a render is a 2d image generated from a 3d model.  That or shading and texturing an image.
I 've never associated the world "render" with papercutting on a  kindergarten level.


I just don't get why people do it. It's not creative, no new artwork is produced in the process. They are just bastardising already existing works.

I know that many people in the situation like this are up in arms against the site admins. This time I do not think admins are to blame. I think it is  a well known fact that to get a stolen art removed from dA for 100% , the original artist has to be the one reporting it. Unfortunately the "render community" is bypassing it simply by editing works of artists outside of dA. Admins have their arms tied when finding the original author is pretty much impossible.

I don't know, it's just pissing me off when I see how fast this cancerous render community is growing. There are so many groups centred around this bullshit, just to name a few:
:iconstarlight-renders::iconbaka-renders::iconrenderheaven::iconrendersanime::iconnarutorenders::iconrender-blender::iconrendercollection:

On a final note I would like to stress that I'm not trying to shit over the photomanipulation community. I myself love  ambitious and elaborate photomanips. Let's remember though that there is a huge difference between a complicated piece that is skilfully blending dozens of proper stock photos into one harmonious artwork  and cutting a background out of a drawing without the permission of the original creator.

What do you think? Have you also noticed it?  Is it acceptable ? If not who should take care of it? Admins or maybe the general dA community should be less accepting?  Can anything be done? Maybe it's just a natural by-product  of a developing community? I'm just wondering what do you think.

PS. Just as a reminder :
FAQ #8: What are violations of the deviantART copyright policy?
FAQ #217: What are "Stock and Resources" and can I use them in my submissions?
FAQ #306: Does "Crediting" let me use whatever I want?
PPS. people using renders for manipulation without the consideration for the original artists are just as bad *coughpokeballscough*

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:iconjueruu:
Jueruu Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I've only discovered anime "renders" today and there isn't much talk about it, not even in the forums. This is so disappointing.. Stare 
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:iconmorikun-rinari:
morikun-rinari Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2013  Student Artist
Over the years I'll occasionally witness a stupidly large influx of new [obviously stolen] artwork whenever a new video game, anime, etc. come out. It's especially common with franchises such as Final Fantasy, any anime, and so on... Once there's a new fan base for something, someone creates a render off the original artwork and that increases the workload on the dA moderators who have to look into the reports once someone notices it. What's more stressful and annoying is many of these so called artists refuse to put down their works in which they never obtained permission to edit the work of the original artists. They simply don't know when to stop and don't care about copyright laws.

Also, some of these people who edit without permission don't realize that claiming to have some form of ownership (ie. "don't steal, copy...") isn't different from stealing the artist's work.
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:iconnaruonic:
Naruonic Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Student Artist
:iconficticiousanimation: ?
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:iconakreon:
akreon Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
huh?
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:iconnaruonic:
Naruonic Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Student Artist
[link] ?
Look at thier desc.
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:iconakreon:
akreon Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
All I see is a wallpaper with some random ass sonic mary sue. Why are you showing me this?
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:iconnaruonic:
Naruonic Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Student Artist
Look at credits:

THIS IS SIMPLY FAN ART.
I ~FicticiousAnimation am NOT associated with Sega, Sonic Team, or Sonic Channel in any way. Nor does Sonic channel have rights to this wallpaper. We are completely separate.
Sonic Chanel is located at Sonic.Sega.jp. Go check 'em out! :iconinuawesomeplz:

Aria Kanzaki model by ~jetknight. [link]
Guns by ~amiamy111. [link]
Muzzle Flare Effect by Beamman. [link]
Sega logo font. [link]
English Calligraphy font. [link]
Other fonts shown are Windows defaults. Microsoft.

MMD DirectX 9 version.
PMD Editor 0139.
Paint.Net.

Do you see his username on credits ... no.
Just like you pointed out on your journal.
Oh by the way do you know about MLP shit ... do you know MLP fans do? haha
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:iconsefice:
Sefice Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Back in PS7 days, we had to do renders with the pen tool, so it actually did merit some credit since it was tedious to do and these renders were usually requested by forum signature designers.
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:iconavarifina:
Avarifina Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Side question, but what's a vector? I don't seem to be getting a proper answer. X3
I find vectors themselves attractive as they usually look professional and clean cut. But, bottom line is it doesn't belong to you just because you do a cookie cut out.
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:iconsefice:
Sefice Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
This is a very loose description but I'll do my best.

In certain 2d packages a vector is an image with its color and shape information being calculated so that when you resize it there will be no 'pixelization' around the borders like a raster image does. When you create text in Photoshop, it is actually a vector image and if you've noticed before, vectors are somewhat limited when it comes to gradients, blending and filters. That's why there is a need to 'rasterize' once the final look is achieved.
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:iconavarifina:
Avarifina Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay, I see. Thanks! :D
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:iconsefice:
Sefice Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
A raster image uses dots or pixels to define an image where as a vector uses 'paths' or 'strokes.'

Usually, company logos are vectors as a convenience for print in billboards, boxes, bottles, etc.
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:iconinthealley:
InTheAlley Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2012  Student Digital Artist
This and the friggin base doll things are glorified theft -3-
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:iconviolation-nova:
Violation-Nova Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
-the only Renders she ever used were those of Final Fantasy - o-o This is news aha -shall study on this-
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:iconperverstlitedyr:
perverstlitedyr Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
i know the feeling iv seen menny pictures here on DA thats just been edited of an original picture worst part is theres alott of em even stolen from other deviants gallerys , countless of times iv found my favorits edited by other artists , this is frustrating and so incredible stupid just what do thise mindless idiots gain for beeing praiced for a stolen picture , they are just waisting their time getting nowhere fast , unable to create ennyting remotly original
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:iconarmonah:
Armonah Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012
It boggles my mind why this gallery (of all of them) got filled to the brim with anime garbage. What part of "3D & Renders" makes these people think "cut-outs of my favourite animes"?
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:iconvonhollde:
VonHollde Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I wonder if you read this? [link]

"We're going to put some extra energies into clearing up these galleries over the next few weeks. This may involve a simple admin action such as moving your deviation to scraps or a more relevant gallery, or for persistent policy violators, it may involve further administrative action"
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:iconraph1966:
Raph1966 Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2012  Student General Artist
I see BakaRenders is gone. :confused:
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:iconlunatic-blade:
Lunatic-Blade Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2012  Student
You! Yes, you!

I LURVE YOU! :iconheavyplz:
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:iconmissmondaymorning:
MissMondayMorning Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2012   Digital Artist
hmm, I guess I never really noticed this new community until now.
this "rendering" is nothing but art theft.
dA members should not accept this kind of development.
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:iconkitten42:
kitten42 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
It's like the pr0n Balrog in the Moria mines of dA. It's hard to have an evolving community of artists without draconian rules AND without people who will take blatant advantage. Not saying that dA has good rules or anything, but I don't think more rules are the answer, either.
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:iconeye-of-the-hawk:
Eye-of-the-Hawk Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
ps. that gif was my. exact. facial expression. just say'n XD
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:iconeye-of-the-hawk:
Eye-of-the-Hawk Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:salute:
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:iconcmwvisualarts:
CMWVisualArts Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I read this, only because I saw the word "Render", and then I realized it wasn't what I thought you meant. Being a fractal artist, I thought you meant fractal renders, or even 3D renders, I hadn't thought of this. But yeah, I get what you mean.
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:iconlynntv:
LynnTV Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2012  Professional General Artist
Just found this [link] , so sad... I hate renders, and people who do that.
this site is in french. if you use google chrome it will translate the site.

Though I don't render, I personally DO ask and credit others because its the right thing to do. I love the saturday night live gif you have, sums up so many feelings.
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:iconxxsweet-nightmarexx:
XxSweet-NightmarexX Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2012
Well, not everyone can make a clean cut for things link signatures and such. However, I don't believe in crediting people with something they didn't personally create, just cut out, so I only tell people where I got it if they ask me.

It's like people who make AMVs crediting websites for ripping cutscenes from videogames and such. Again like myself.
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:iconbloodfen:
Bloodfen Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2012
Ugh....I hate it when those people lump themselves in with photomanipulators. I'm sorry, but I don't steal. I use stock image only, and even then I read the rules.
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:iconxicepanther:
xIcePanther Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2012
To be quite honest "Renders" do not fall in the category "art"..like...at all .More like in "editing". Renders ( mostly anime ) are used in AMV's for example ( Animated Music Videos ) - The credit usually refers to that. Like,i make an AMV,use a render and post it on youtube - in the description i need to credit i guess? For the render i used.

That's how most people use renders at least xD Or for Backgrounds and stuff like that - At least as far as i know.

Buut this is just my outlook on them xD or what iv'e gathered from being in the amv community
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:iconeldingagunman:
EldingaGunman Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2012
Ehh.. doesn't the word rendering apply to 3D work? Or putting in life-like textures in a 2D piece? But cutting out the background, *seriously?*
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:iconirrewilse:
IrreWilse Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
SO sick....
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:iconurtear:
Urtear Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
this... will never end, neva, there will always be some fuckos who repeat the same sh*t ._.
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:icontherechiba:
TheRechiba Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2012
Everyone can complain about this stuff forever and it will never end... ever
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:iconquabajazzi:
Quabajazzi Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2012  Student General Artist
:squee: A lot of the youths in my art class do this and hand it up to our teacher whose dwindling intelligence seems devastatingly lower than theirs and I turn into a seething monster when they get B's. I salute you, pugged one!
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:icontyphloser:
Typhloser Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
arkeon, you sexy green pug.


Fucking marry me. Do it fucking now.

(Also, I'd love to see this bumped to the dA footer. It deserves to be there.)
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:iconsyiren:
Syiren Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconthisplz: Is an epic win! Bravo to you! :iconbravoplz:

:iconclappingplz::iconclappingplz::iconclappingplz::iconclappingplz::iconclappingplz::iconclappingplz::iconclappingplz::iconclappingplz::iconclappingplz::iconclappingplz::iconclappingplz::iconclappingplz::iconclappingplz::iconclappingplz:
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:iconshadowmaker-241:
ShadowMaker-241 Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
You know what's worse? The entire traced bases category is against deviantART's copyright policy yet they refuse to take it down.
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:icondistance-diz:
Distance-Diz Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Akreon, thank you. Everything you have been ranting about is stuff I wish to be removed from an dA. They have no respect for for artistic dignity.
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:iconeighteenthstar:
eighteenthstar Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2012
The only time I use cut outs is to create signatures and avatars for forum sites but I'd never dream of stealing someone elses artwork, cutting it out and sticking it up on dA. Ever. Fair enough if it's a cut out of like, a cover of Naruto. However, when it's someone elses work... Just... NO.
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:iconartisinmyheart:
ArtisinmyHeart Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Didn't know so many people were into that. I would be mad if they took the background out of my art. Its not art....
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:iconcircuitdruid:
CircuitDruid Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2012
see here I thought rendering was adding shading and lights to a flat image. Obviously I have been mislead.
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:iconcosmic-angell:
Cosmic-Angell Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Bugs the shit out of me too because naive people think they actually did it and just favorite it, especially if its not a well known anime. The only use I would find for renders is making some spiffy kind of background with it but THAT'S IT. If it's anime they think that's what will make them popular. Disgusting.

People like this are the reason why my mom thinks there are only two styles of art. Anime and realistic. lolwut?
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:iconiluq:
Iluq Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As much as I understand that the admin's hands are tied, I have to disagree with these rules on tracing and art theft. Of course art theft is going to spread like wildfire when people realize how easy it is to get away with it now, without even a slap on the hand.

I also don't understand what the point of "renders" are?
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:iconcoyote094:
coyote094 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wow! I had no idea that was happening around here! Thanks for the heads up, this is unacceptable, truly! Rendering is just plain stupid, this is about sharing unique art and this people are bastardising it (as you said)
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:iconcocoamintkitty:
CocoaMintKitty Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2012   Digital Artist
nooo nononono

Why would people think this is okay?

I can't tell if this is AS BAD or WORSE than the fact that ' traced bases ' has its own category/its content.
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:iconhm-dragon-dreamer:
HM-Dragon-Dreamer Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
This is just unbelivably stupid. Now I RAEG to. I've seen it before and it really irritates me. Bases are one thing (even though there are way to many on dA, but fine, there is some work put into it, especially in original ones) but this is just ridiculous. :/
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:iconreimann:
Reimann Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I will probably get a lot of harsh feedback for being -for- renders, but alas.

I DO NOT approve of the render-creator claiming they need credit/slapping their logo over it. However, renders themselves are useful in forum signatures, banners, website skinning, etc etc etc.
As someone who makes all of the above, I would much prefer to just grab a render and use it in the image/theme/whatever than to take hours to cut it out nicely myself.

That's what they're for, not the crap Pokeballs/abused manips you see around.
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:iconblue-uncia:
Blue-Uncia Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I get where you're coming from, but surely there are other sites for people to share these things on.

DeviantArt isn't the place for them. ;P
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:iconreimann:
Reimann Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
that is true.. same with the pornography seen on here.. /:
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:iconblue-uncia:
Blue-Uncia Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Urf, yes.
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:iconskaera:
Skaera Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Imagined an artist IRL taking the mona lisa, cutting out the background, and claiming it as their own work. Lol'd.
Render community annoys me but frankly I can't be bothered to care. dA won't do anything about it, and they're not going to get anywhere by doing it.
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